tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2798312463652733622.post807520423956499182..comments2024-01-19T04:32:25.260+11:00Comments on Ned Kelly : Death of the Legend: Ned Kelly : Violence and IndecencyDeehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14104818673788818740noreply@blogger.comBlogger29125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2798312463652733622.post-38805001170910113682015-04-08T18:57:47.531+10:002015-04-08T18:57:47.531+10:00I should also have added that on Sharons great Blo...I should also have added that on Sharons great Blog at www.elevenmilecreek.blogspot.com there is an excellent and very comprehensive review of this book, written by her fellow enthusiast Brian Stevenson. Theres no way I could improve on that review and suggest - no insist - that everyone goes there to read it. Its in three parts and you can find it by using the search box, or by scrolling through to January 2013. Ive just re-read them and noticed he makes some very pointed remarks about the madman with the anti-book FB Page. I don’t think I realised their significance the first time I read it but now I doDeehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14104818673788818740noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2798312463652733622.post-70209820787218801102015-04-06T16:07:28.466+10:002015-04-06T16:07:28.466+10:00Actually the book is called The Kelly Gang Unmaske...Actually the book is called The Kelly Gang Unmasked, and I reviewed it on this Blog in June last year. Its still there if you want to scroll back and read it. You’re right though, I gave it a glowing report, and basically just said that its an absolute must read for anyone interested in the truth about the Kelly Gang, which of course rules out most kelly Fanatics on NKF and Iron outlaw who pride themselves on not having read it. Deehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14104818673788818740noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2798312463652733622.post-91653384525160670682015-04-06T14:41:06.707+10:002015-04-06T14:41:06.707+10:00Oh boy, oh boy, Dee can't wait until Ian MacFa...Oh boy, oh boy, Dee can't wait until Ian MacFarlanes work"Ned Kelly Unmasked" is reviewed on this blog site. <br />After all isn't this what it is all about? I'm guessing it will get a glowing review.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2798312463652733622.post-5018119516995797072015-04-06T09:50:03.130+10:002015-04-06T09:50:03.130+10:00Oh and I forgot to add that there appears to be no...Oh and I forgot to add that there appears to be no trace of the much hyped Benalla Bankers Letter, that was going to be included in the Exhibition "if the writers identity can be verified". I guess its non appearance must mean that it couldn’t, so maybe I was right all along. Undoubtedly those letters now won’t be the subject of any further discussion on NKF or by the madman who described it as “a few more nails in the coffin for MacFarlane” and rubbished me for suggesting the letter may be a hoax. They will want to forget all about their embarrassing over-reaction and go back to discussing Musicals and tattoos. Deehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14104818673788818740noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2798312463652733622.post-21726474637811758352015-04-06T09:37:07.197+10:002015-04-06T09:37:07.197+10:00Thanks for that link George. Ive downloaded that C...Thanks for that link George. Ive downloaded that Catalogue and recommend everyone does, and have a good read of it. Actually I think it would be an interesting Exhibition to visit, even if just to see the Armour, and some of the artwork, like the Nolan paintings, and Adam Cullens. <br /><br />Its hard to know how to respond to this sort of thing because there is no point in denying that the Kelly Legend is part of the Australian cultural landscape. My interest is in exposing the truth about the man on which all this Mythology has been built, an unedifying truth which ought to make people pause before they so readily promote his image. Increasingly there is less and less excuse for the promotion of historical untruths about Ned Kelly because recent publications like Ian MacFarlanes work, and the Morrissey book challenge and debunk them. By all means discuss what Kelly has come to represent, but the time has now come for responsible Public Educators to stop pretending he was actually a noble figure or a revolutionary or something other than a smart arse, and a clever self promoting violent psychopath. Deehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14104818673788818740noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2798312463652733622.post-33729161532509707882015-04-06T01:01:00.275+10:002015-04-06T01:01:00.275+10:00The Imagining Ned Exhibition at the Bendigo Galler...The Imagining Ned Exhibition at the Bendigo Gallery is far worse than Joel thought. Its a backwards-looking thought bubble that relies on Ian Jones and Peter FitzSimons for 'authenticity'. Doesn't the gallery have access to the net? By accessing this Blog, those Dodos could have come up with something really interesting - instead of trotting out the same old misleading bumf. You can download a .pdf catalogue of this shambles from this site:<br /><br />http://www.bendigoartgallery.com.au/Exhibitions/Imagining_Ned?gclid=CNvTw8-t38QCFQMHvAodgAYAyA<br /><br />If you are like me, you will drop the Mayor of Bendigo a note complaining about it.George Ogilveynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2798312463652733622.post-34639658596036412402015-04-04T08:33:32.284+11:002015-04-04T08:33:32.284+11:00Wow, I never knew that about The Kelly Gang Unmask...Wow, I never knew that about The Kelly Gang Unmasked in the London Times Literary Supplement. I cant see myself getting to Bendiigo but I would be interested to hear from someone who has, and in particular if those Benalla Bankers Letters are on display. These are the ones the Neducator on NKF reckoned “debunked many of MacFarlanes theories”. In January when these letters were discussed it was said if their authenticity could be established they were going to be exhibited at this Exhibition. An anonymous poster to this Blog asserted they were genuine but no proof was offered, so if they aren’t there it would mean they couldn’t be authenticated, or perhaps they were simply so uninteresting and inaccurate that it was decided to forget about them.Deehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14104818673788818740noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2798312463652733622.post-32621757080254632732015-04-04T00:25:29.760+11:002015-04-04T00:25:29.760+11:00That Bendigo Art Gallery faux "Imagining Ned&...That Bendigo Art Gallery faux "Imagining Ned" exhibition has begun, and looks decidedly bodgy. They missed the point by concentrating on the distant past and not modern Kelly bookcovers, newspaper cartoons and images. Among other things, I'm thinking of the full-page illustrated review of "The Kelly Gang Unmasked" in the London Times Literary Supplement by Sir Clive Sinclair, inventor of the Sinclair computer, quartz watches, electric vehicles, etc., etc. No other Ned Kelly book has ever received this level of recognition in the world's foremost literary magazine. Melbourne artist David Milne's tiny Nolanesque 'Ned Kelly' is a superb classic. It's not in the Bendigo exhibition though. Art Addict Joelnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2798312463652733622.post-46312405692845163252015-04-03T22:43:01.146+11:002015-04-03T22:43:01.146+11:00I wouldn't join NKF even if they offered a fre...I wouldn't join NKF even if they offered a free hundred dollar gift card. NKF has an extremely poor record when it comes to expelling members and bad-mouthing them forever after. One prominent NKF member is notorious for this, misidentifying critics, and abusing people who post with assumed identities while posting anonymously himself.<br /><br />Joining NKF? You'd have to be nuts!Gerrynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2798312463652733622.post-47590173208266320042015-04-03T11:46:23.057+11:002015-04-03T11:46:23.057+11:00There was total confusion due to all of the names ...There was total confusion due to all of the names being the same at times. Ian Jones tells of an incident when the sympathisers were being rounded up -<br /><br />"The Benalla operation was far from perfect. The police arrested Tom Lloyd Senior instead of of his nephew of the same name..."<br /><br />He might have gotten that from Frank Clune's The Kelly Hunters where it mentions "Tom Lloyd, Senior, Ned's uncle, who had kept of trouble for years, and was probably arrested in mistake for Tom Lloyd, Junior, Ned's cousin."<br /><br />Even the women were all named after each other, witness all the Ellens in the Kelly family.<br /><br />And how about how the Rev John Gribble from Jerilderie was sometimes confused with his son Ernest? Even Corfield did that in his Ned Kelly Encyclopaedia saying that John Gribble was the subject of the biography "A Terribly Wild Man" when it was actually about Ernest Gribble. I remember Brian Stevenson telling me about that years ago. Did not even need the same first name to get messed up on that one! Imagine how much easier it is if both names are the same.Sharon Hollingsworthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11500349415203451928noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2798312463652733622.post-21104580633784429132015-04-02T21:04:34.230+11:002015-04-02T21:04:34.230+11:00Sharon if awards were made for Services to the En...Sharon if awards were made for Services to the Entire Kelly World you would get the Gold Medal. I saw that Jack and Tom were Dans cousins so assumed they were brothers but I ought to have checked! Thanks for the correction - its dangerous to assume anything about the kelly story!Deehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14104818673788818740noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2798312463652733622.post-77242508152076858592015-04-02T18:12:53.724+11:002015-04-02T18:12:53.724+11:00Dee, where you say that John and Tom Lloyd are bro...Dee, where you say that John and Tom Lloyd are brothers to each other is not correct. They are in fact cousins as well as being cousins to Dan Kelly. I was just reminded of this by a Kelly relative and double-checked the info and see that he is quite correct. Ian MacFarlane made the same mistake in "Ned Kelly Unmasked" which Brian Stevenson had also noted in a post over at Eleven Mile Creek. (The source given was Graham Jones's Ned Kelly The Larrikin Years which I have not seen) Easy to get confused with so many giving the same name to their offspring in a single generation.Sharon Hollingsworthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11500349415203451928noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2798312463652733622.post-79337591951228424412015-04-02T18:06:06.757+11:002015-04-02T18:06:06.757+11:00Sad? No, not really. Its a stated aim of mine to e...Sad? No, not really. Its a stated aim of mine to expose the nonsense that the modern day Kelly fanatics engage in, and I will continue to draw it to the attention of every curious reader of my Blog. NKF has some very worthwhile members but unfortunately its also home to, and administered by some of the leading Kelly internet thugs. From my perspective, the sooner they conceal themselves behind their paranoid security screens the better. Out of sight, out of mind!Deehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14104818673788818740noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2798312463652733622.post-34122298915267024262015-04-02T15:23:37.076+11:002015-04-02T15:23:37.076+11:00Back to picking on NKF again. Sad. Sad. Sad.
Back to picking on NKF again. Sad. Sad. Sad.<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2798312463652733622.post-18779272033508349802015-04-02T06:15:56.153+11:002015-04-02T06:15:56.153+11:00Oh dear another round of IdentiDee ! But I am not...Oh dear another round of IdentiDee ! But I am not surprised that no Kelly sympathiser wants to try to defend Neds smart arse bullying of the McCormicks, or Dan and the Lloyd brothers delinquent behaviour at the Goodmans.The Subject of this Blog is not me but Ned Kelly,but when it gets embarrassing to talk about him someone always pops up and says “Hey look over there, its Dee!” <br /><br />Meanwhile over on NKF they have taken their paranoia and preoccupation with identity to staggering new heights. They are are planning to make it impossible for anyone to even look at their site unless they reveal their identity and sign up! I nearly fell off my chair when I read that - Don’t they realise that by doing that NOBODY will EVER go there to “meet learn share and ask questions relating to the history that has fascinated Australians for over a century” As it is, no-one takes an interest in them, so how why they think retreating into their bunker will increase their appeal is beyond understanding. Meanwhile Death of the Legend goes from strength to strength....because people ARE interested in Ned Kelly but not in being told mistruths and fantasies about him by fanatics . They want the truth.Deehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14104818673788818740noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2798312463652733622.post-15089080734149095982015-04-01T23:52:23.234+11:002015-04-01T23:52:23.234+11:00Just provide any proof you're not guessin'...Just provide any proof you're not guessin', Anony_pus!<br /><br />Y A W N.Shonk Watchernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2798312463652733622.post-40003576395606171732015-04-01T23:30:25.913+11:002015-04-01T23:30:25.913+11:00Anonymous, your "pffft" gave you away as...Anonymous, your "pffft" gave you away as Australia's silliest misidentification "expert" several posts ago. You might as well have used 'troll'. You haven't twigged yet how incredibly embarrassingl it would be for your mob if you are right. Your posts about that individual back then were particularly vile.<br /><br />But you're always wrong. In three years, nothing right. Give it a rest or keep guessing. It's up to you. Just stop coming here with your crazy guesswork.<br /><br />I've met Dee who is a she not a he. She sure knows a heck of a lot more about Ned Kelly than you do. Chook Sexernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2798312463652733622.post-30349545516980133392015-04-01T22:38:56.226+11:002015-04-01T22:38:56.226+11:00Dee we think you get our point,
Signed David ��Dee we think you get our point, <br />Signed David ��Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2798312463652733622.post-52401188187343274102015-03-31T16:25:55.520+11:002015-03-31T16:25:55.520+11:00No doubt there was some sort of “fracas” as Ian Jo...No doubt there was some sort of “fracas” as Ian Jones puts it at the Goodman’s store. Bad behaviour which ever way it is looked upon. However, to say that Tom Lloyd raped or intended to rape Mrs Goodman is not correct. <br /><br />Each were sentenced to 3 months goal at Beechworth and ordered to pay 2 pounds 10s damages. Tom Lloyd was given an extra 3 months for “common assault” <br /><br />The incident occurred after Dan Kelly had arranged to deliver some meat to Mrs Goodman and to pick up some groceries. A frequent exchange. They arrived after the store had closed. The Goodman’s refused to open for them so Dan and the Lloyd’s broke the door in and got their rations.<br /><br />Mr Goodman was some time later (after Tom Lloyd’s conviction) sentenced to 4yrs goal for perjury for the evidenced he gave. Just how much of his evidence was used to convict Tom Lloyd is unknown.<br /><br />Lou, this anonymous is not trying to provoke “you all” into attacking the NKF. I cannot be bothered. <br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2798312463652733622.post-80290230322588016142015-03-30T23:19:59.338+11:002015-03-30T23:19:59.338+11:00I listed the exact charges against Tom at 18:44. H...I listed the exact charges against Tom at 18:44. However the day before I wrote “Rape” and should have written “Intent to rape” which was wrong so I apologise. It was unintentional.But I have never doubted that Goodman was guilty of perjury.<br /><br />So I am afraid nothing has changed “Anonymous” - it STILL reads as drunken antisocial behaviour from three young louts, - future Kelly Gang members - and the Police and Judiciary trying to do their job fairly, in trying circumstances, the exact same point that was made in discussing the McCormick Affair. How quickly the Kelly mythology evaporates when you examine it critically!<br /><br />And what exactly was your point?Deehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14104818673788818740noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2798312463652733622.post-75980281667174683322015-03-30T21:59:50.457+11:002015-03-30T21:59:50.457+11:00Evading the questions again eh, Anonymous?
And st...Evading the questions again eh, Anonymous?<br /><br />And stop trying to provoke us into attacking NKF, which is not worth the effort.Lounoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2798312463652733622.post-36275089234255867602015-03-30T21:51:54.226+11:002015-03-30T21:51:54.226+11:00Dee, did you not say that Tom Lloyd was charged wi...Dee, did you not say that Tom Lloyd was charged with rape? Obviously, this is not correct.<br />Now be fair. Is that not a misrepresentation from yourself? <br /><br />Are you also saying that Mr Goodman was not convicted of perjury?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2798312463652733622.post-66552339332662393682015-03-30T18:44:22.980+11:002015-03-30T18:44:22.980+11:00Typical Kelly apologist misrepresentation from “an...Typical Kelly apologist misrepresentation from “anonymous” <br />McQuilton lists 4 offences that Tom Lloyd was charged with i) Violent assault, ii) Breaking into a dwelling and stealing iii)Wilful damage iv)Intent to Rape. He was discharged on the first two - because Mr Goodmans evidence was not believed, he received three months for the 3rd offence and the last one was reduced to indecent assault and for that he received 3 months. They were not convicted on “perjured evidence” - that evidence was not accepted and those charges were dropped. But are you suggesting this entire episode was a fantasy? If so, explain why they “went bush” as Jones records. <br /><br />But while we’re on the subject, why if the Police were so anti-Kelly were so many charges dropped? And why was Mr Goodman charged with perjury when if the Police had simply decided to , they could have made use of his perjury to put these people away for much much longer than three months? Doesn’t sound much like corrupt Police and Judiciary persecuting innocent selectors to me. Actually it still sounds like drunken antisocial behaviour from three young louts, and the Police and Judiciary trying to do their job fairly, in trying circumstances.Deehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14104818673788818740noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2798312463652733622.post-33777949797178353522015-03-30T16:46:50.568+11:002015-03-30T16:46:50.568+11:00Forbidden pffft anDee after the way you speak abou...Forbidden pffft anDee after the way you speak about NKF admin and it's members no wonder the admin won't allow you or this disgraceful blog to be mentioned. I've got 2 mates named David and their partners call them Dee for short and there seems to be one person missing here that has been mentioned many a time. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2798312463652733622.post-90451645171872926772015-03-30T15:08:08.948+11:002015-03-30T15:08:08.948+11:00Actually the charge against Tom Lloyd was assault ...Actually the charge against Tom Lloyd was assault with intent to rape Mrs Goodman, the store keepers wife. This was later reduced to common assault. The main witness Mr Goodman, was later sentenced to four years goal for perjury for the evidence he gave in this same case. So both Dan Kelly and Tom Lloyd served goal sentences on perjured evidence.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com