tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2798312463652733622.post386924271077226498..comments2024-01-19T04:32:25.260+11:00Comments on Ned Kelly : Death of the Legend: Morrisseys Brilliant PhD Thesis : A CommentaryDeehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14104818673788818740noreply@blogger.comBlogger26125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2798312463652733622.post-35579877918001867572015-01-09T13:23:10.204+11:002015-01-09T13:23:10.204+11:00This above webpage now has access to all 19 pages ...This above webpage now has access to all 19 pages by the unknown author.<br /><br />As before said, the document was given to me about ten years ago and paints an interesting picture where we can read Ned Kelly was not the only horse thief ! The whole lot, Quinn, Kelly, King, Lloyd, Whitty, the Byrnes' and Farrells' were all as bad as each other when it came to dealing in stray or stolen livestock. They were all beneficiaries of their own antics.<br /><br />I'm sure Doug Morrisseys PhD thesis being discussed was well researched, but there remains the old thorny question, what were 'his' religious affiliation and on which side of the fence was he born.<br /> <br />Bill<br /><br />Quote<br />" that Whitty, along with the Byrne family, had taken all the best land in the King Valley and, not content with that were greedily impounding stock that happened to stray from the paddocks of "poor" owners." <br />and that<br />" Constable Thomas Farrell, brother to James Whitty's son-in-law, John Farrell, stole a horse from Ned's father-in-law, George King, and kept it in one of Whitty's or Farrell's paddocks until he left the police force."<br />'The Case for James Whitty' Click herehttp://www.denheldid.com/twohuts/the-case-for-james-whitty.htmnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2798312463652733622.post-18204984813744318862015-01-08T19:02:13.227+11:002015-01-08T19:02:13.227+11:00Of course I would ! Ive been busy thats all, and...Of course I would ! Ive been busy thats all, and have to do some reading before I can answer your question- if it was yours - about Lonigans body being moved. Perhaps you could explain how that question relates to an understanding of how he received the left thigh wound, which is the most problematic one in the “one shot” hypothesis.Deehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14104818673788818740noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2798312463652733622.post-84201803501677854952015-01-08T15:59:08.565+11:002015-01-08T15:59:08.565+11:00Perhaps Dee you would like to continue the discuss...Perhaps Dee you would like to continue the discussion on the shooting of Lonigan?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2798312463652733622.post-47289296415944597462015-01-08T15:45:44.819+11:002015-01-08T15:45:44.819+11:00Wayne, I must admit when I saw that name I also wa...Wayne, I must admit when I saw that name I also was reminded of events that had gone before. However, I didn’t censor him then and I don’t intend to do now, if for no other reason than I don’t really know who this Brendon is or who the previous ones were either. But there are other reasons : basically I believe in the right of anyone to have an opinion and be free to express it. But there are limits and yesterday they were crossed , and I deleted a few posts by Caught Out and Dan. <br /><br />I agree that Brendans comment contributes very little, but actually there are a couple of points in there that I am going to comment on in my next Post. Deehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14104818673788818740noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2798312463652733622.post-18995092092919796292015-01-08T14:20:51.625+11:002015-01-08T14:20:51.625+11:00OMG: We have had the immense misforune to meet up ...OMG: We have had the immense misforune to meet up with 'Brendan' ('Brendon', 'Sarah', 'Alex' and others) before, in your SBC special debate, since removed by censors. He's always on about misidentifying the MacFarlanes. Never any pertinent contributions to discussion of your blogs, just errant nonsence and defamations about you and the MacFarlanes. Just get rid of the whacker. He hasn't made a single sensible, sober post about anything, anywhere. He is a tireless internet serial pest. He has form in the removal and deletion of other hundreds of other people's opinions (35 Forumjar and Proboards forums so far).<br /><br />Dee, you don't owe 'Brendan' ANYTHING. He wants to shut down Kelly criticism and discussion at any cost..His pretended concern for justice is just a pretence. Get rid of him. He has contributed nothing except rants against you and the MacFarlanes. A tireless, obsessional internet serial pest. Waynenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2798312463652733622.post-53518008748875493432015-01-07T23:01:34.122+11:002015-01-07T23:01:34.122+11:00You keep calling people who sympathise with Ned Ke...You keep calling people who sympathise with Ned Kelly ' Kelly fanatics ' ,but aren't you (Dee) a Kelly fanatic yourself? What else would you call someone who has spent all this time posting on and creating blogs about Ned Kelly just to try and push your views about the man.<br />I find it strange too that you accuse symapthisers of - not facing the 'truth' about Ned,deliberately avoiding articles and books that aren't ' pro Kelly' and so on,when YOU yourself do the exact same thing with regards to any information which is NOT negative about Ned Kelly,and you just straight out believe the word of anyone who has a negative opinion of him.<br /><br />This all seems very personal,and whether or not you are the author of the Macfarlane book or a relative of his,I have never before seen such a vendetta from any Kelly author (or his relatives and friends) either pro or anti Kelly caring THIS much about what people think about their book and views.You are not exposing anything except your dislike for Ned Kelly and anyone who supports him.<br /><br />People who symapthise with Ned Kelly and his gang always will,no matter what you or anyone has to say,that will not change.We have all read what you have read and more,you views will not convert anyone.Brendannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2798312463652733622.post-92096516787847690052015-01-07T13:41:36.731+11:002015-01-07T13:41:36.731+11:00I think it would be in the best interests for all ...I think it would be in the best interests for all concerned to move on. I also am not offended that you do not agree with all that I write. <br />My concern is that enough myths and mistruths have already been created. By both well meaning people and those with their own agendas. No offence intended.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2798312463652733622.post-37903806156654347402015-01-07T12:59:04.620+11:002015-01-07T12:59:04.620+11:00Can you explain what you mean by "deriding” B...Can you explain what you mean by "deriding” Bill ? I don’t think I have ever done that. <br /><br />As far as “loyal followers” is concerned I am not trying to cultivate a “following” I am simply putting my ideas up for anyone who is interested, and the numbers are growing . I have no idea who anyone is, other than Bill, I think most names are “made up” but that doesn’t mean the people are not real or their opinions “fake” but as I keep saying, Identity is unimportant. If anyone choses to identify themselves thats their call not mine.<br /><br />But thank you for your input, I am not offended that you don’t agree with some of the things I write. I expect that. Feel free to state your case any time..Deehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14104818673788818740noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2798312463652733622.post-60643319220687048982015-01-07T12:16:19.074+11:002015-01-07T12:16:19.074+11:00I do not support character assassinations. However...I do not support character assassinations. However. You yourself do more than a fair share of openly assassinating opposing NK Forum sites and so called Kelly fanatics. I do not agree with this no matter what reasons are behind it. <br />I did not have the opportunity to read all the deleted posts. But yes. Apart from Bill who you are now deriding, it would appear that you only have about two loyal followers, many of the rest are mostly all fake. If I am mistaken then I apologise,<br /><br />If you are up for an open debate, then let it be so. With an open mind.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2798312463652733622.post-17767437185119423772015-01-07T11:35:14.567+11:002015-01-07T11:35:14.567+11:00With respect, you wrote “I agree with Caught Out” ...With respect, you wrote “I agree with Caught Out” so presumably you read and agree with what he wrote, but there was nothing in it about wanting to discuss issues other than my identity. Did you agree with his attacks on me, his obsession with identifying me, his labelling me a witch, as a dumb pest,as someone who “kept publically defaming people" I have already made it abundantly clear on numerous occasions that my identity is none of anyones business, and has no implication for any argument about the kelly mythology that anyone wants to make. Its not up for discussion, anymore than yours is. Our identities are unimportant - our arguments and our methods are.<br /><br />But yes, you are right, this IS a place to promote set opinions and they are all mine, unashamedly, but I put them up for anyone to challenge, criticise, support or disagree with, however they feel. I tried to do this with forums that people like “Caught out” deliberately destroyed - and yet many interesting and open discussions occurred there with contributions from all sides. <br /><br />I am up for open debate - its the Kelly fanatics who are not, and instead resort to the tactics of Caught Out. such as attacking people personally as above with his latest post attacking me, by banning people from their forums - as they did with me, - contrary to caught outs lying claim in his Post that I”sulked off” and of course by getting the entire Forum deleted. <br /><br />So you support his gossiping and character assassinations do you?Deehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14104818673788818740noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2798312463652733622.post-28726559898764603222015-01-07T11:04:24.824+11:002015-01-07T11:04:24.824+11:00I have not abused nor attacked you in any way. Nor...I have not abused nor attacked you in any way. Nor intend too. In this instance it is you who is attacking me. <br />I have no association with the NKF. <br />However it is obvious that currently this is not the place to discuss things. More a place to promote certain set opinions. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2798312463652733622.post-80321453989728500732015-01-07T10:47:14.173+11:002015-01-07T10:47:14.173+11:00On the contrary, this IS a place for open discussi...On the contrary, this IS a place for open discussion - about the Kelly mythology. But attacking, abusing and lying about ME, or anyone else is NOT what this Blog is about and if thats what you want to do, go start your own Blog or sneak off to your secret NKF back room and do all your gossiping and character assassinations there. Deehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14104818673788818740noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2798312463652733622.post-33638856571496535482015-01-07T10:37:47.706+11:002015-01-07T10:37:47.706+11:00I agree with Caught Out. This is not the place fo...I agree with Caught Out. This is not the place for an open discussion. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2798312463652733622.post-14846063900659229752015-01-07T09:33:28.958+11:002015-01-07T09:33:28.958+11:00For the third time I have deleted the same post. T...For the third time I have deleted the same post. The Kelly devotee posting this mad rant now calls me a witch. Its hard to understand why he doesn’t realise that attacking me won’t alter any of the facts about Ned Kellys lies, his life as a stock thief, the illumination brought by Morrisseys thesis, the nonsensical claims that Kelly was Australias Robin Hood, the cover-up over the Fitzpatrick affair, or any other single fact that is contained on this Blog, yet on and on he goes. When will oner Kelly sympathisers wake up to the damage he is doing to their cause and tell him to shut the frock up. Still waiting to hear from your Lawyer, windbag. Deehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14104818673788818740noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2798312463652733622.post-1691345819237726482015-01-07T09:12:35.674+11:002015-01-07T09:12:35.674+11:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2798312463652733622.post-53608855973217502015-01-07T05:23:16.897+11:002015-01-07T05:23:16.897+11:00“Caught out” reposted his lies and thinks I should...“Caught out” reposted his lies and thinks I should leave them up and is hoping that someone might get taken in by them: I suggest he posts them on his own Blog if he wants but thats not what this Blog is here for, to provide an outlet for his garbage. As for how many "followers" I might have, I don’t really care - what I am interested in is exposing the rubbish that passes for Kelly history, the morons and the tactics of people like “caught out" who promote and defend it, and a place for people with an open mind to discuss it all. And thats all happening very nicely.<br /><br /> As for “deriding" Bill, that has never happened ; I like Bill - he has his own opinions and viewpoints and he promotes and defends them with openness and integrity. <br /><br />As I said, go away “caught out” Go see your Lawyer and get on with your planned “legal proceeding”. I am warning you though, if you do you will lose your money and be exposed as a fool and a loser, but if you don’t go ahead - which is what I expect - you’ll have proven to everyone you’re a gutless windbag, which is what everyone already suspects. Good Luck!Deehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14104818673788818740noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2798312463652733622.post-24482952856989460412015-01-06T22:39:59.540+11:002015-01-06T22:39:59.540+11:00If it is just lies Dee, then leave it up for peopl...If it is just lies Dee, then leave it up for people to judge for themselves. Ah, but that's right, apart from Bill who you are now deriding, you only have about two loyal followers, the rest are all fake.Caught out.noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2798312463652733622.post-57223710974352049002015-01-06T22:04:36.330+11:002015-01-06T22:04:36.330+11:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Caught out.noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2798312463652733622.post-75570476235501258932015-01-06T21:30:18.949+11:002015-01-06T21:30:18.949+11:00Hi Bill
thanks for that Link to a very interesting...Hi Bill<br />thanks for that Link to a very interesting article. I think its showing something I have been thinking myself recently, which is that its a mistake to assume that Neds version of things is necessarily the truth about it. What we are learning is that his version is the one that best paints the picture he wants us to believe in, but the word of a psychopath cannot be trusted.<br />Deehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14104818673788818740noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2798312463652733622.post-72880467725311381952015-01-06T21:20:03.873+11:002015-01-06T21:20:03.873+11:00Incredibly, not even a week has passed and my pred...Incredibly, not even a week has passed and my prediction about what the Kelly fanatics will be up to this year has been proven correct. Here we have a Post about ground breaking research, but the only response from some of these Kelly fanatics - “Caught out” and “Dan” - is to attack me, tell lies about me and my participation on Kelly websites, claim that i was “shot down in flames” and that I defamed people, that someone else writes my Posts for me and declare that “legal proceedings may now take place for all the defamation and threats here and on Forum Jar” <br /><br />I am not surprised at this latest outburst of yet more baseless and wildly inaccurate nonsense from them - its what I predicted and its because they can see the threat that the ever strengthening presence of this Blog is to the continuation of their pet fantasies. Kelly fanatics have had everything their way for long enough : now the tide is turning and they can see it! They’re desperate as todays now deleted Posts demonstrated. <br /><br />They are very welcome to pursue their “legal proceedings” - indeed I dare them to go ahead, but I make a further prediction : their threats are empty and they won’t. But, if I am wrong in that and they do make good on their stupid threat to begin Legal Proceedings for their claimed "defamation and threats here and on Forumjar” they will only succeed in embarrassing themselves, wasting their money and losing. Take my advice : go away and don’t drag the reputation of kelly sympathisers deeper into the sewer than it already is.<br /><br />And now, Ive wasted enough time already on these losers - on with the show! I have a book review to finish!Deehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14104818673788818740noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2798312463652733622.post-59939182652645319482015-01-06T12:12:30.920+11:002015-01-06T12:12:30.920+11:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Caught out!noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2798312463652733622.post-28289776342891825062015-01-06T09:59:07.792+11:002015-01-06T09:59:07.792+11:00Another is The Case for James Whitty by author un...Another is The Case for James Whitty by author unknown. <br />It was given to me about ten years ago and paints an interesting picture<br />where you will have to agree Ned Kelly was not the only horse thief ! They were all as bad as each other.<br />Bill<br />The Case for James Whittyhttp://www.denheldid.com/twohuts/the-case-for-james-whitty.htmnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2798312463652733622.post-7094131511689854262015-01-06T01:34:59.810+11:002015-01-06T01:34:59.810+11:00Authors can't be blamed for missing unpublishe...Authors can't be blamed for missing unpublished manuscripts and theses. No lists of these are published. In the case of Morrissey, once his articles were published, his research became publicly available. Authors worth their salt would have hurried to his PhD thesis, which Jones, Fitzsimons, and others, failed to do. Their works ultimately will be judged for what seem to be gross omissions.Olivenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2798312463652733622.post-33200315545259073172015-01-05T17:01:38.353+11:002015-01-05T17:01:38.353+11:00...and one other thing - it would help if you gave......and one other thing - it would help if you gave yourself an actual name, ( a made up one is fine! ) and stuck to it so we can distinguish the comments of one “anonymous" from another. Deehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14104818673788818740noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2798312463652733622.post-86489364690407869722015-01-05T16:58:23.912+11:002015-01-05T16:58:23.912+11:00You’ve highlighted one of the limitations of this ...You’ve highlighted one of the limitations of this format when it comes to discussions, because they tend to get left behind and forgotten about. I am still working on a solution. But I shall add a comment at the October post: “Inconvenient Truths about SBC” and see where it goes. Theres also been a recent discussion about Red Kellys origins way back in June, in my Post “Like Father Like Son” that readers might like to comment on as well.Deehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14104818673788818740noreply@blogger.com