tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2798312463652733622.post1020636415155086218..comments2024-01-19T04:32:25.260+11:00Comments on Ned Kelly : Death of the Legend: The Ned Kelly Photo GalleryDeehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14104818673788818740noreply@blogger.comBlogger63125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2798312463652733622.post-52740897803223921222016-08-06T14:33:37.270+10:002016-08-06T14:33:37.270+10:00William Hartnell. The DoctorWilliam Hartnell. The DoctorMark Perryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05162533821220639075noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2798312463652733622.post-32408664180408613232016-08-05T23:33:53.101+10:002016-08-05T23:33:53.101+10:00The Ned Kelly Vault people have shown two partial ...The Ned Kelly Vault people have shown two partial images of their new Ned photo on their FB site. Neither are very convincing. More importantly, they have confirmed the demise of the Ned Kelly Weekend. Kelly well-wishers and Kelly goons are miffed.<br /><br />Ned has left the building, Folks!<br /><br />Bout time too!Martin Healenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2798312463652733622.post-22358608642245277082016-08-05T22:47:21.418+10:002016-08-05T22:47:21.418+10:00If the Vault people were smart, they would enlist ...If the Vault people were smart, they would enlist the help of that measurements expert at Melbourne Uni who disproved the Christie's 'Gentleman Ned' photo. If he approved Ned, then the rest of the photo would be authenticated.Pete Wilgarnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2798312463652733622.post-73143932506598202702016-08-04T20:35:57.164+10:002016-08-04T20:35:57.164+10:00Thank you Dee, you are correct! That was my spelli...Thank you Dee, you are correct! That was my spelling thingy correcting me when I left out an e (for I be a terrible typist) I should have checked it. And thank you for the name check and I hope we can strive to show respect and love for all, as a wise man once said: "Go forth in all your beliefs, and prove to me I am not mistaken in mine' (Google it)<br /><br />All the best,<br />Captain Jack Hoyle (checking his spelling)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2798312463652733622.post-27934415704995543772016-08-03T20:41:15.082+10:002016-08-03T20:41:15.082+10:00Execrable?Execrable?Deehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14104818673788818740noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2798312463652733622.post-8137387709890431422016-08-03T18:19:54.209+10:002016-08-03T18:19:54.209+10:00That was meant to be Hello - not hell Peter! I bla...That was meant to be Hello - not hell Peter! I blame my inexorable typing. Many apologies.<br /><br />Yours cheerily,<br />Captain Jack Hoyle (embarrassed) Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2798312463652733622.post-16796053760547533972016-08-02T19:12:35.028+10:002016-08-02T19:12:35.028+10:00Hell Peter, there is a delightful story in the 196...Hell Peter, there is a delightful story in the 1963 book 'The Bushrangers' by William Joy and Tom Prior in which the authors talk of approaching a man identified as a 'farmer' in Glenrowan and asking if he had a photograph of Ned Kelly with his horse.And I quote:"The farmer was too busy to discuss either the photo or the Kellys. Yes, he had the picture, he admitted, but he had work to do. When would he have time to show us the picture? "When you're back in Sydney" he said flatly." Carted'Visite photos were very popular at the time and Barnes in Benalla and Bray in Beechworth had lucrative businesses. The photos were the same size as today's business cards (55mm x 90mm ) and were popular as a means of recording important events and as momentos for friends and families. As the name suggests, people could purchase multiple copies and send them or gift them. So it was not only flash larakins and vainglorious ne'er-do-wells (sic) who had sat for their portrait.<br />And if that farmer, who was most probably a relative, had given the photo to the authors it would probably be on stubby holders and worse by now. <br /><br />Warm regards to all,<br /><br />Captain Jack Hoyle ( retired) Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2798312463652733622.post-69473958363994556082016-07-24T20:45:05.226+10:002016-07-24T20:45:05.226+10:00When googling about this photograph I have come ac...When googling about this photograph I have come across commentary about the police of the day having suppressed a photo (perhaps this one?). Does anyone know if there is any basis to this? I suspect someone has just said this to improve the sale prospects of the photo and/or to spruik a story. Once these things get committed to print, they can take on a life of their own. <br /><br />It is interesting to see references to other photographs of Ned that people have seen but which are reportedly tightly held by family. Photography wasn't that common back then and I suspect not many of that time would have had their photographs taken. The Greta Mob seem to have been an exception and its probably due to their seeing themselves as flash and different. It will be interesting to see what other photographs come to light. Peter Newmannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2798312463652733622.post-84845255860401663932016-07-22T06:23:40.926+10:002016-07-22T06:23:40.926+10:00Many thanks for the explanation Captain Jack, I th...Many thanks for the explanation Captain Jack, I think everyone who looks at your clever creation has an eerie experience that is very persuasive in its effect, and certainly my own view of the trio is now open, whereas before I was most sceptical. Any further results of your studies would be most welcome, but having a life is much more important !!! I am hoping that the vault will describe the techniques they use to establish the identity of their photo, then we can all become experts in the field. Deehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14104818673788818740noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2798312463652733622.post-80663430121650719702016-07-21T22:05:14.921+10:002016-07-21T22:05:14.921+10:00Greetings Dee and felicitations to all. Take no of...Greetings Dee and felicitations to all. Take no offence, but I could not let the photo outrage that I have fashioned go without explanation. 'Twas only by chatting (tapping?) with Bill that I mentioned I had produced aforesaid animation of the Kelly kind for my own curiosity. Having no row to hoe (sic), nor book to publish, I made the montage of the head from the three figures and plonked it on top of a scan of the full length prison last day photo. All other photos of Kelly were looking away from the camera. I could have used the nasty stubbly photo, but i choose the one used as it was closer in pose. Besides I didn't spend much time with it, there was no manipulation of the head, no distorting or skewing in photoshop, just 2 scans put one on top of each other. The fact that when aligned the 2 photos had the same shoulders and tilt of the head is not my fault! Fading from one photo to the other manually was spooky, so i made the animation. With no full face photos of Dan Kelly being available there was really no way of comparing the Dan faces. The Steve Hart figure could not be he ( sic) as police descriptions describe him as shorter than Dan! Tom Lloyds face did not fit , then I found the similar prison mug shot of the Wild one. I was not gong to publish them, I had sent them to a few friends some weeks ago. Bill was most enthusiastic about them and asked if he could show them to a few of his friends (on Facebook). Dearest Dee, I shall try to put a few animations together using other faces, but I do try to have a life, and can't spend time trying to convince you who it is or who it isn't. But if i can I will!!And I do not say it is Ned or Wild, nor is it a holy shroud. But I think its Ned, and I think its Dan and I think it's Wild Wright<br /><br />Farewell to all, proceed with extreme promptitude and have a merry life!<br /><br />Humbly yours,<br />Captain Jack Hoyle ( retired )Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2798312463652733622.post-62945421324211042592016-07-21T11:40:47.774+10:002016-07-21T11:40:47.774+10:00Not convinced. Was Wild Wright not taller and ove...Not convinced. Was Wild Wright not taller and overall heavier than Ned? The bloke in this photo doesn't have those attributes. Proceed carefully can I suggest Bill? Mark Perryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05162533821220639075noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2798312463652733622.post-71169370349310717772016-07-20T21:11:30.563+10:002016-07-20T21:11:30.563+10:00Thanks for putting up the link to the fading faces...Thanks for putting up the link to the fading faces Bill, its an ingenious way to compare faces, but I share the cautions expressed by the two Anonymous above.Presumably what Capt Jack does is shrink one photo till the eyes match in both and then look at how closely other features match like ears and nose and chin.I would ask Capt Jack Hoyle, whom you say was the person who did this to do a similar manipulation with a dozen other faces and see how many fit. Apparently Heath Ledger was a good fit to the death mask. If its really hard to find other faces that fit then that would support the usefulness of this technique as a way of identifying faces, but if its not that hard then one wold have to be pretty careful about using it positively ID someone. I am hoping the Vault will spell out the techniques they are using to try to match their photo to Ned Deehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14104818673788818740noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2798312463652733622.post-73297377551604028892016-07-20T20:25:02.778+10:002016-07-20T20:25:02.778+10:00A massive claim to make Bill. Are you really prepa...A massive claim to make Bill. Are you really prepared to stand by such a statement? Not even Gary Dean thinks it's the Kelly Gang but you are positive it is? Really?<br /><br />My heart just sunk for you ol' mate. Again.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2798312463652733622.post-32347187907540051462016-07-20T19:43:54.084+10:002016-07-20T19:43:54.084+10:00Hi Bill, I wonder if you and Jack would be willing...Hi Bill, I wonder if you and Jack would be willing to put more "tests" into this? Could a photo of Tom Lloyd and Joe Ryan be applied in the same way? ( fading) I don't see that it's Ned straight away. When you compare facial features I think Tom and Joe match better and I wonder if this could be tested? Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2798312463652733622.post-54189736334788112742016-07-20T18:10:07.828+10:002016-07-20T18:10:07.828+10:00That was $16,000 well spent then. What an investm...That was $16,000 well spent then. What an investment. I bet the seller is gnashing his teeth now. If indeed it is Ned then he actually he looks his age for a change (i.e. quite young) whereas in all the other photos of him he appears older than his years. Peter Newmannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2798312463652733622.post-19791343839439600702016-07-20T11:56:00.020+10:002016-07-20T11:56:00.020+10:00Thanks to Capt Jack Hoyle, the photo is most certa...Thanks to Capt Jack Hoyle, the photo is most certainly Dan, Ned, and Wild Wright.<br />Well done Capt'n<br /><br /><a href="http://www.ironicon.com.au/kelly-gang-photo-maybe.htm" rel="nofollow">See the fading faces in Kelly photo </a> <br />Bill - See the fading faces in the Kelly photohttp://www.ironicon.com.au/kelly-gang-photo-maybe.htmnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2798312463652733622.post-39141706346415491602016-07-18T18:56:15.861+10:002016-07-18T18:56:15.861+10:00Looks like 'Google Blogger' have lost the ...Looks like 'Google Blogger' have lost the plot.<br />A participant reply comment cannot even post a picture from an independent picture URL ?<br /><br />I have checked Google for the problem and there seems no answer.<br />There are thousands of other users on message boards with the same problem. I don't know how this can be fixed Dee?<br /><br />My prediction is, Google wants all pictures to be hosted by Google and not other picture hosts, or even my own web server. <br /><br />This means Google Blogs like this are limited only to text or webpage links. <br />It also means the majority of participants cannot share pictures with text unless they have their own webpage servers. <br /><br />Personally Dee, I would suggest contacting Google here in Australia if they have an office? And tell them its not good enough. <br />Bill -noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2798312463652733622.post-90603127327236961972016-07-18T13:17:31.943+10:002016-07-18T13:17:31.943+10:00Regarding Photos.
As we don't seem able to ha...Regarding Photos.<br /><br />As we don't seem able to have pictures on these Blog pages anymore I want to try a few things to see if they work.<br /><br />I try post a cropped picture of the central figure of the group (high contrast)<br /><br />http://www.ironicon.com.au/images/fading-faces.jpg<br /><br />I will add code in front [IMG] and at end [/IMG]<br />Lets see if this makes a picture or a live link? below-<br />[IMG]http://www.ironicon.com.au/images/fading-faces.jpg[/IMG]<br />Bill - Click here to see imagehttp://www.ironicon.com.au/images/fading-faces.jpgnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2798312463652733622.post-48886811990144296012016-07-18T13:12:49.083+10:002016-07-18T13:12:49.083+10:00Hi Spudee, what do you think ?Hi Spudee, what do you think ?Billnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2798312463652733622.post-37173013298714906622016-07-17T08:54:46.025+10:002016-07-17T08:54:46.025+10:00I have to assume you are being flippant Bill.I have to assume you are being flippant Bill.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2798312463652733622.post-90470035593860570632016-07-16T21:57:37.031+10:002016-07-16T21:57:37.031+10:00Yes. That would be best. I did not intend to disru...Yes. That would be best. I did not intend to disrupt this thread. NMLAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2798312463652733622.post-68109651454692310062016-07-16T20:07:33.562+10:002016-07-16T20:07:33.562+10:00Can we please defer further discussion on this sub...Can we please defer further discussion on this subject for now? As I explained I have been planning a Post focussing on this controversy, and will do it quite soon. It would be better to discuss the Photos in this thread and save the discussion about SBC for the relevant Post in the next week or two.Deehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14104818673788818740noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2798312463652733622.post-78367430071848151212016-07-16T19:15:02.849+10:002016-07-16T19:15:02.849+10:00Dee I have just posted a picture that could be Ned...Dee I have just posted a picture that could be Ned on <br /><a href="https://www.facebook.com/Ned-Kelly-Central-1685631235036629/" rel="nofollow">https://www.facebook.com/Ned-Kelly-Central-1685631235036629/</a><br /><br />It is a high contrast image of the central figure of the trio photo above in your thread opening.<br /><br />I have asked some of the 2646 people that likes the NK Central Facebook page to give their opinion as to whether this central figure is Ned Kelly. Much similar discussion will proceed from the latest NEW photo of NK. <br /><br />Perhaps readers here can cast a vote of the figure central.<br /><br />All votes here will be interesting also.<br /><br />Link, http://www.ironicon.com.au/images/fading-faces.jpg<br /><br /> Billhttp://www.ironicon.com.au/images/fading-faces.jpgnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2798312463652733622.post-57911498274419668002016-07-16T16:29:36.411+10:002016-07-16T16:29:36.411+10:00Bill's findings do not match McIntyre's de...Bill's findings do not match McIntyre's descriptions, his diagram or his orientations. For example: It would seem that the man seated on the log in the photographs (M3 on McIntyre's diagram) is facing south not north. As McIntyre had his back towards Kennedy as he came up, (slipped over the log) and addressed him when he was about 6 -7 yards away. Ref. McIntyre’s statement before W.Foster. P.M. 11th August 1880. Please also read pages 23 & 24 of McIntyre's Narrative. (M2 on diagram) The sun sank on his and Ned's left (west) when he stood looking down the creek talking with Ned prior to being told to sit on the log (M3)<br />NMLAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2798312463652733622.post-28681704989881452442016-07-16T15:05:32.670+10:002016-07-16T15:05:32.670+10:00Are you saying its the jealousies and petty politi...Are you saying its the jealousies and petty political squabbling that is preventing wider acceptance of Bills findings, or something about his findings thats the problem? Its interesting that you should raise this topic because in the last week or two Ive decided I cant ignore Bills work any longer on this Blog and I plan to write a Post on it in the near future. Ive hesitated in the past because its a subject that has previously resulted in bitter divisions in the Kelly world, but that shouldn’t be a reason not to look at it again. I hope you’ll contribute your own ideas on the topic then NML.Deehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14104818673788818740noreply@blogger.com